Only the supposed richest country in the world would force their postal employees to drive around in vehicles that were built in the 1980’s. WTF! That is worse than 3rd World. FFS, the Deutsche Post use electric bicycles, electric delivery vehicles and modern Mercedes-Benz trucks. Invest in your fucking infrastructure AmeriKa.
Infrastructure must be paid for socially but owned privately and any and all repairs or future investments will be subsidized in order to please Jesus Christ the patron saint of Capitalism.
Making the country work? that’s socialism
Plus speedrunning the financial failure of the USPS will let them dismantle and privatize it
Then Trump can roll out his Uber-like mail service company where the workers provide their own vehicles and 60% more mail goes “missing” in transit.
You mean like
Hermes UKEvri?
I recall they forced massive retirement debt on uses to cause downfall
Most federal agencies receive annual congressional appropriations to contribute towards CSRS and FERS. The Postal Service does not. Instead, it’s required to pay retirement contributions with agency revenue. USPS’s retirement costs are significant, totaling $10 billion in 2023 alone.
At least UPS is unionized
Those things, from what I heard, are an absolute necessity of an upgrade for postal workers. They absolutely deserve those vehicles. Just like the vehicles probably deserve and hunger for the flesh of the people who want them gone.
How so?
their old grumman LLV’s are inefficient, cramped, HOT AS FUCK (no climate control you get a fan lol) that were harder and harder to keep on the road after nearly 4 decades of work. also, a tremendous amount of ‘postal work’ is not letters, but now packages - and these vehicles can’t hold much compared to the new ones.
Thank you.
Because the old vehicles are from the 90s and are massive pieces of shit?
According to Wikipedia, the Grumman LLV was in production from 1986—1994… Which seems kinda wild to me in 2025.
Also according to Wikipedia, when used for mail delivery, its average fuel economy is 8.2—10 mpg 😬
It’s a government grade Aluminum box with the powertrain of a Chevy S10.
S10s were a goddam marvel. I loved mine. RIP.
My S10 is going to function as my hearse. I’m not letting them rent a Cadillac when I’ve got a perfectly good Chevrolet.
Mine was a 94. An F250 pulled out in front of me. I braked, tried to swerve into the side street. He reversed. Wet road, I kept sliding. He had a dented door. I had a broken radiator, crushed hood, and bent front axle. Totalled. To the guy’s credit, he admitted he never saw me coming in my wittle red twuck and that I fought like hell to avoid a collision, and probably would have if he hadn’t reversed. Blue Book was 5k. I got 3k. No one was selling them at the time for less than 5k and I had a minimum wage job and needed a car asap. Got a neon and a bonus: no more moving requests.
Yeah, that’s quite an improvement for the company. How do the new ones improve the life of mail carriers specifically?
They have AC
They’re also tall enough to stand in for many folks which is a huge plus.
Thank you.
Air conditioning?
Much better cargo capacity and organization?
Why are you asking me, I’m the one that asked it in the first place.
Those were obviously rhetorical question marks.
The information you’re pretending to be interested in is readily available in the article above and elsewhere.
From OC:
Those things, from what I heard, are an absolute necessity of an upgrade for postal workers.
emphasis mine.
You’re acting like it is obvious what they heard, and I shouldn’t ask for details of what looks like first hand reports of usage of the new vehicles.
So go fuck yourselves and the high horses you rode in on.
I’m not gonna take your word for it. Gonna need a source showing the EV’s were well received and performing as expected.
Here you go,
stupid embarrassment to your mother: https://apnews.com/article/postal-service-next-generation-delivery-vehicle-a2ebbfc7afec0eea2e036eef93bee4d9E: review of the selection process where letter carriers had direct input on the process,
clown-ass: https://fromatoarbitration.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Next-Generation-Delivery-Vehicle-NGDV.pdfEven when provided with a source, people like you will still find a way to move the goal posts. GTFO.
People like you (and me honestly) revel in linking sources when they have them. So you don’t have one. Just pulled this out of your ass.
Nope, people like you are here to nitpick because they made up their mind already but want to “um achtschually” between coughing up phlegma and ruining their lives. Because the benefits of these are well known and there’s plenty of info on the internet about it. So by all means, keep being “that guy” and asking everyone around to google search common knowledge for you
I’m asking for the source because I haven’t made up my mind, and I like to see the data first hand. The exact opposite of your accusation.
Wtf would be the point of asking for a source if the data wouldn’t make a difference?
If you hadn’t made up your mind, all you had to do is google “do mailmen like the new usps trucks” and you would get articles like:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/26/us/usps-new-mail-trucks.html
So by all means, nitpick away, I wonder how long it will take you to start complaining about the source
You’re still here? I said GTFO
Oh yeah, I forgot that’s only allowed when someone questions a widely accepted status quo. If a claim supports widely held beliefs, it’s foolish to question.
I hope this is a kid commenting, because this is some real high school shit.
I don’t know if the numbers compare, but I’ve talked to a postman here, and he told me that EVs save a lot of money for the postal service. Here, stick-shift is the way to go, and he told me that they basically wore down 1-2 clutches a year per car before swithching to EVs.
Just because they’re EVs…
What other technological innovations have political parties been (corrupt) allergic to?
I know Edison lobbied hard against AC power systems but there must be tons of examples over the years
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It’s crazy how if you’d asked me about vaccine hesitancy and conspiracy theories in 2019 I would’ve told you that extreme left wing hippy nut jobs are the archetype I associate with it, but then COVID hit and bam! Now it’s the right wing nut jobs
Yeah you haven’t really heard much out of the “vaccines aren’t vegan enough” crowd for the last couple election cycles, have you?
Renewable energy.
Train transport, public transportation in general.
Hemp
The worse USPS functions, the more people are unable to vote.
and here I was just thinking, “Hey, I hope someone can give away something my tax dollars already paid for again. I really liked when Scott Walker gave away our trains, what a swell guy”
nah, they’ll replace the EVs with trucks off a truck tree. Free tree trucks. Try saying that while you’re drunk
Probably all those unsold Cybertrucks
yeah after they convert them back to oil burners. not even diesel, they’ll go full on fuel oil.
I dunno. Maybe they’ll figure out a way to use whale oil.
Extracted by slave labor so it’s blood whale oil.
I’ve never seen one of those on the road yet, but whoever designed them should probably consider a career change.
EDIT: I’ve accepted that I’ll just never understand why some things get down-voted here. Like, do people actually like the way that design looks?
It looks like a Grumman LLV somehow reproduced with a cartoon duck, a pug, and one of these:
You’ve stumbled into 3 very powerful headwinds buddy:
1-Lemmy hates Republicans so they will support whatever Republicans are trying to get rid of
2-Its an EV and EVs are cool
3- Lemmy (especially c/FuckCars) HATES the new trend of trucks with very high grilles that block your view in front of you. The new mail trucks swing cartoonishly in the other direction, so it’s pretty much their ideal truck.
Ohhhh thank you for clearing some of this up! I’m still kinda new to this.
That’s wild how many people seem to fit all 3 dimensions — and so strongly that they’re seemingly offended by some light criticism of any EV? Am I reading the situation right? (Edit: er, maybe it offended people that fit in one or two of those groups… Unions vs. intersections)
Hot take (apparently): Some vehicles — including but not limited to EVs — are ugly. I stand by that.
The old USPS delivery vehicle wasn’t pretty either, but somehow I think nobody would be offended by that.
I swear social media people make me feel like an alien sometimes lol
Maybe you can counsel them on a career in “armchair social media influencer”.
Aim high, right?
Not sure I follow. They designed them for social media? Or do you think I said anything referencing social media?
Did you mean to reply to some other comment?
You’re judging the vehicle purely on how it looks and using that to suggest the designer should change careers; an impressively shallow take, but also a learning opportunity. The other reply draws the same kind of assumption, albeit with a degree of tongue-in-cheek, to make an ironic accusation that you are qualified enough as an “armchair influencer” to train the vehicle’s designer in the new career that you said they ought to seek.
I’m judging only the vehicle’s appearances, not the entire vehicle.
Here’s an exhaustive list of things I know about this vehicle.
- It’s ugly.
I assume it’s a huge upgrade over the Grumman LLV. For all I know, it could be the best vehicle in the world for that purpose, with the best drivetrain and battery tech available, and a huge cargo area to handle the present day’s e-commerce workload.
It’s just ugly, that’s all.
… that you are qualified enough as an “armchair influencer” to train the vehicle’s designer in the new career that you said they ought to seek.
This is the confusing part for me. Where did I say that they should seek a career in being an influencer, or that I’m one? I’m not even remotely qualified in that field, and would never claim to be.
I don’t know how you don’t think the new truck is adorable. It’s like a toy car, and I mean that as a compliment.
It fits perfectly into some hanna barbera depiction of a pleasant neighborhood.
They look kind of dopey, but they look like they’d really do a good job of prioritizing safety for pedestrians, pets, and especially kids with the really low hood height. The minimum distance to see the road on that thing has got to be like three inches.
Valid point.
🤔 I wonder if it could have been designed without that part altogether. I’ve driven one of those flat-fronted Isuzu box trucks before, and it’s crazy how much more you can see in front of the vehicle.
The flat front is a tradeoff that tends to make maintenance more difficult
It also removes crumple zone space.
Flat front vehicles tend to have the driver sitting over the wheels, which raises their height off the street, a real pain if you are climbing in and out of the car 50 times a day.
I am mad they want to get rid of them. We have already designed and started rolling them out. But I do think they look extremely ugly. Doesn’t mean we should get rid of them.
They look like that for accessibility, to be driveable and comfortable for even the tallest and shortest postal employees, and that makes them goddamn beautiful.
I did not know that’s why they look like that. Makes a lot of sense but the original (to me) postal truck will always have a special place in my heart.
Yeah it’s something like, the roof is so tall so that the 90th percentile tall American man can stand up in it, and the hood is so low so that the 90th percentile short American woman can see over the nose from the driver’s seat. It absolutely looks like a goober but basically all American adults can comfortably operate it.
It’s so cool that they’re unique. Nothing is ever novel anymore. Cheapest most boring everything. Except for rich people. At least these have character
Not like the old cars are pretty.
They are cute. :3
Not ugly.car goes beep, beep
First-past-the-post wasting taxpayer money right there!
Can I buy one to live in?
Jk, I don’t have money
That’s how they operate now. They look on reddit for comments “oh next these fascists are going to ruin …” and that is how they get their ideas.
Now shut the fuck up and enjoy your forever boot to the face. Remember, non-violence is the most important thing.
