A sinner and a Fediverse Advocate.

I hate strawmen.

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  • It doesn’t counter Romans. Romans states the same thing:

    Romans 2:1-9

    Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God? Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed. He will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury. There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek.

    Romans 3:1-13, 21-31

    Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the value of circumcision? Much in every way. To begin with, the Jews were entrusted with the oracles of God. What if some were unfaithful? Does their faithlessness nullify the faithfulness of God? By no means! Let God be true though every one were a liar, as it is written, “That you may be justified in your words, and prevail when you are judged.” But if our unrighteousness serves to show the righteousness of God, what shall we say? That God is unrighteous to inflict wrath on us? (I speak in a human way.) By no means! For then how could God judge the world? But if through my lie God’s truth abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner? And why not do evil that good may come?—as some people slanderously charge us with saying. Their condemnation is just. What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since God is one—who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.


  • You know you just quoted James, right?

    James 2:18-23

    But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God.

    James - the Brother of Our Lord made it clear. Faith was completed by his works. His works justified him, and they only complimented his faith, essentially proving it. He still needed faith. The works didn’t save him, they just showed the regenerative Spirit of God within him, thus justifying him. You need walls, a roof and a foundation to build a house. A Christian looks like a house. If you had someone who thought they can save themselves, you’d have a house with no foundation, and it’ll quickly be swept away.

    1 Corinthians 3:11-15

    For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— each one’s work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.


  • and that might mean not believing in giving charity and simply sharing from what God gives you, forgiving debts, believing charging interest is a sin, etc.

    Christians generally do this apart from maybe the interest part- although it still isn’t really right to charge interest unfairly.

    you pay tax.

    Yeahhhh, that’s reason to be afraid of Islam. People don’t want an extra protection tax because they don’t follow Mohammed.

    You wouldn’t have had to defend the incipient and persecuted Muslim community that the message of God was meant for through prophet Muhammed either, because you know, you don’t want to submit to God/“convert to Islam” so what do you care? And you’re not being forced. And this is after losing a war/battle these people started! Seems 1. more than fair to me. 🤷

    Would Christians be allowed to evangelise in this society? Can a Muslim convert to a Christian without being murdered for it?

    We have our deeds and you have your deeds.

    The whole message of Christianity and Jesus as a whole is that you cannot work to gain heaven through deeds. By this logic, Buddhists and Hindus will also go to heaven because many of them are upright people.

    Isaiah 64:6

    We have all become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment. We all fade like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.