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Scalpers know the brands. They might have missed the OG steam deck, but I promise the oled and now this are max scalp.

Besides, it’s just a controller in a sea of amazing not-MS not-Sony controllers. The only real exclusive here is the dual trackpads.

Asymmetrical sticks are more popular. I really went all in on the xbox style after the 360… but there’s a lot of options that aren’t what I mentioned.

all of them:
https://gamepadla.com/?f=spec_physical_sticksymmetry%3Asymmetric&fo=1

Just the ones with TMR sticks, most of these are high cost options:
https://gamepadla.com/?f=spec_components_typesticks%3Atmr%3Bspec_physical_sticksymmetry%3Asymmetric&fo=1

$70 Gulikit TT Max is probably the closest thing, if TMR is a must anyway. I don’t really see a difference between hall and TMR personally. 4 Rear paddles included that are optional, switch for triggers to be between long throw hall effect and short throw microswitches. Swappable buttons (extra set for the switch). Swappable thumbsticks. Swapple dpad. So many features i’m almost tempted, maybe i’ll check out one of their asymmetric options. https://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Controller-Switch-Ultra-Fast-Adjustable-Multi-functional/dp/B0GJ5HWKK6

IMO people who are really only familiar with microsoft, sony, nintendo and valve controllers really are missing the world of amazing value out there with dozens of competing high quality devices with better features and often more reliable than a $200 xbox controller that develops a stuttering bumper button right after the 1 year warranty expires (or before, requiring a replacement that breaks again and again.) This isn’t 1998 anymore, “generic” controllers are often better than the originals.

Anywho… There’s 198 other controllers here than the three you mentioned. https://gamepadla.com/

The original steam controller really was the first one to have it. A niche of users are obsessed with the feature but no major manufacturer has come out and made a copy because it’s just not a popular enough thing.

like I said in my other comment:

Valve was targeting the $40-$60 range originally with this controller. I don’t know what happened, given that the competitors are just a little bit over that.

Vader 4 pro was ~$45 last year, at least according to spam in my inbox and my order history. $67 today.

Vader 5 pro is $63 now, but I haven’t looked at reviews and I don’t need a controller, but on paper they made improvements

8bitdo ultimate wireless 2 is $56 right now even.

Gamesir G7 Pro is another solid option, $80, I don’t have one but they’re also supposed to be excellent. […]

Best bang for your buck is still probably the 8bitdo ultimate 2c. It’s a fairly basic controller with a 2.4g dongle, bluetooth and two extra buttons. You can find them on sale for for $22 at times or sometimes less but full price is just 30.

Effectively nobody went out and threw trackpads or touch controls on controllers. It just wasn’t popular enough after the original steam controller. If you absolutely adore the touchpads on the deck and that’s your reason for picking up a controller, this is the exclusive choice for you lol

Im full time Linux these days at work and at home.

I have gotten four different third party controllers to work, and really only PopOS gave me issues with them. All just are recognized and “just work” on cachyos.

I just haven’t struggled with peripheral compatibility on computers really since the olden days when we transitioned away from dos and early windows to USB… and then again from 16bit drivers to 32 or again to 64bit. But I do know some devices are a problem for some people I suppose.

If you haven’t made custom steam input mappings to utilize the touchpads and capacitive sticks with gyro, then this is not going to appeal to you.

We have a winner. A niche like any other… and steam input isn’t exclusive to steam hardware at all lol, third party controllers get all this and more. We all win!

just want a controller that does the job and does it well

This one portion is the reality. This controller will work just fine, but still be one of the most expensive ones on the market. Enjoy, but know you’ve done no research and don’t really care about the outcome per your own admission.

I grew up with shitty third party controllers that ruined reputation of said off brand controllers, but times have changed. With how the steam software works you can use basically any controller in the world and configure it however you want with your pc games… which is exactly why there’s no compelling reason to go with this model over any other so long as it’s a good controller and just works.

There’s countless stick layouts and choices for people with specific niches. That wasn’t a list of mine, just some potential ones. Most people don’t even know that common and cheap controllers exist with tension settings or adjustable triggers… but hey most people just follow the brand brainwash that advertising and echo chambers on the internet encourage.

Have you been observing the NAND apocalypse and its impact on consumer electronics release and pricing?

~2029 once the recession has hit, housing market has exploded and we get 15-20% unemployment from all the AI devs getting shitcanned and all the workers “replaced by AI” still can’t find jobs because their employer downsized to build a warchest in record low tax time.

That’s my guess anyway.

I have one of those, they go on sale for $20 or less all the time. Works great.

That being said… i’m not here complaining about price, i’m complaining about value. Show me why this is worth what they are asking. I can and have dropped hundreds of dollars on quality peripherals many times. So far all it has is a valve logo on it. I’d buy two vaders over this any day, and that’s just one direct example.

Weird that you call out macros/keybind/crazy stuff as why this isn’t for me, which makes a lot of assumptions. I don’t want to macro all kinds of shit, but I do use my controllers for all kinds of games. I do keybind certain things to the extra buttons. This isn’t even what Valve is going for really. They have effectively three unique features, One extra front button for the quick access menu, the touchpads and a “grip enabled gyro”

Every 3rd party controller has extra buttons that you could setup for that quick access menu.

I have a steam deck. I know how the little pads work. They aren’t great. I still fallback to the touch screen or grabbing a real keyboard instead of trying to type with the stuff.

Nobody is going to have “grip enabled gyro” but where is this going to be useful day 1? A valve tech demo title if anything? There’s no screen like the deck has, so even switch “homebrew” won’t quite work as you’d like without a display touchscreen.

So that leaves the rest of the features which are run of the mill.

• Tons of competitors have TMR joysticks at this price.
• Most have excellent rumble.
• Four buttons on the back is standard with everything. My $25 example only has two bonus buttons, but once you start hitting $50-60 everybody has the two extra buttons and closer to $100 you have a pair of levers too and several extra buttons all over.

Once you start looking at competitors then you start seeing the downsides

• No way to adjust stick tension

• No short trigger switches (the clicky on the vader is beyond addicting.)

• No support for consoles (mentioned anyway)

• No color choices

• No RGB, programmable or otherwise

• Somebody’s gonna have issues bumping into that touchpad when they hold their controller a certain way

• A lot of competitors add a 3rd button to the top on each side as R4/L4. This doesn’t.

• Some competitors also add a couple extra buttons below XABY

• TMR on sticks, but not triggers

• Joysticks not offset like a typical controller. They are very centered and favor the dpad over the stick, and they’re squished upwards because of the touch pads

Anywho, obviously I haven’t held this thing… but on paper it’s just another overpriced controller unless you REALLY want that quick access button and touch pads.

GN is not at all where I would go for controller reviews.

This is a $100 controller and i’m struggling to see how this contends with the various budget ‘premium’ offerings out there like a vader 4 pro or whatever 8bitdo is slinging, or something else. At $100 i’m pretty sure you’ve eclipsed the great majority of premium options for price and the offbrand choices seem to be better than ever.

I’m still convinced that a cheap $25 controller is as good as any of the expensive ones, so long as it isn’t using bluetooth anyway. I don’t need touch options on my controllers and I don’t use fancy macro/keybind/crazy stuff, so low latency, good tactile response and no problems is all I care about. It’s been a long time since the days of the wired xbox 360 controller where competitors sucked.

As far as I know an internet connection is required on a vanilla OOBE setup of windows 11 with today’s iso or a dell/hp/lenovo preload.

Most user systems ship with W11 Home licenses, no pro, so they don’t even have a domain join option.

It is of course technically possible to install w11 without any internet connection and without a windows license at all, but I think of instructions like “To install Windows 11 without internet connection and using local account, in the OOBE using Shift + F10 and run the OOBEBYPASSNRO command.” to be beyond the capabilities of the lowest common denominator of home users, e.g. the majority of them.

Yes, invoking a command prompt to enter a command is under the hood for most users.

I work in IT, I know all the tricks. I also know how users tend to behave. Anyone who is tech savvy can figure out the ins and outs and get around all manner of things. If you just follow what you can click on screen and stick strictly to GUI and zero customized OOBE tweaks you have no other option as-is with vanilla w10 other than an online account setup with microsoft.

I consider shift +f10 to open a command prompt and using that bypassnro command as under the hood because how do you even know how to do that without googling? That isn’t included on any instructions with the device. Most users are going to open up the box from the store, plug it in, and hit the power button. Then they’ll click through the prompts.

I use CachyOS, but for the vanilla home user “I bought a laptop!” at bestbuy or whatever the fuck, there’s no local account option anymore. It’s connect to the internet and sign in with microsoft, and nag you constantly every 3 days until you activate onedrive and other microsoft services.

I got an ARM64 laptop through work to test to see how it might work as an experiment and this has been how the device behaves from day 1. It’s a nightmare.

Enterprise and SMB always have practical workarounds that consumers do not need to deal with.

The only way to create a local user account on windows 11 now without fuckery is pretending you are going to domain join. No other method exists without under the hood tweaks. A similar workaround would work.

But none of this actually protects kids. The goal is to have total surveillance over as many users as possible in their home life. Enterprise is already handled by m365 and google workspace after all.

Have you been coding professionally long?

I find that the only time I can use these chatbots for a task I really need to already know what i’m doing so that I can read the output and fix the issues. This is like having junior devs on your team and being a code reviewer more than being a full time coder. They get a lot of things wrong but there’s so much usable that you can save a ton of time over doing everything yourself from scratch.

Just like with junior devs, you can send them back to fix what you know is wrong and give them feedback to improve various things you would prefer done another way. There’s no emotions though, so you can just be blunt and concise with feedback.

Congratulations, you make around as much as a barista in Boston! Wooo

There are developers making over 100k a month just building AI at these AI companies. The entire point is to eliminate anybody doing knowledge work that isn’t at the bleeding edge of understanding. It’s commoditizing a skill that commanded a huge premium, but is way overstated in HCOL areas.

If it isn’t AI taking the tech jobs, it’ll be India and other countries where they make even less than you but can do the job because they are no less capable. We’re all just meant to be servants to our billionaire masters anyway. They don’t care how many people have jobs, so long as that they pay as few of us as little as possible to get what they want. They don’t care if a handful of us are paid like royalty so long as it’s less than how much they would have paid all of us otherwise.

This is exactly as terrible as I figured it was gonna be.

34 floppy readers/floppies. 4 DOA. 13 usable in RAID.

Wish the guy got any good benchmark tool instead of just using mac system monitor. Finder seemed to think a file transfer was writing up to 1MB/s which sounds high to me even for 13 drives, but we won’t know until someone else does it.

There’s a system for dennis already.

I actually sat through a pitch for downdetector. They have an enterprise product that shows historical data and trends. You have to pay per service monitored, it was wild.

Expect these to be put fully behind paywalls or some other privacy invading method to maximize value extraction. They use tools to gather outage info from all kinds of sources on social media, not their websites so they don’t rely on user reports as much as some might think.