There are definitely treasure troves of interesting things in wikipedia. Asking for more info or context though often risks this kinda thread, unfortunately.

Aside from what has already been said a lot of that history is stuff on the caliber of “Rome invented roads!”.

It seems lately they’ve at least stopped making a thing about throwing shitfits in communities they don’t control and moderate.

So as far as I am concerned: it’s their mind palace. I wouldn’t take their mod actions seriously or personally.

Nevermind they must’ve seen this thread and my Local feed is now filling with MeanwhileOnGrad posts about users in this thread.

“One more time we’re gonna celebrate…”

No doubt, but at least we’re acknowledging 'Nam.

born in 1949 Don’t have to fight in a war

Hmmm

So in that regard just be aware that serfdom is a really broad category that embodies the labor system that existed under fuedal societies. For example, one of the longest lasting systems of serfdom existed in the Russian Empire until the 1860s. The serfs of England revolted in the Elizabethan era and a system of tenant rent was implemented. So there are centuries long gaps in what serfdom was like depending on where you’re looking. Material conditions for the 14th century peasant and the 19th century vary widely, but do have common structure and function.

Tolstoy and Dostoevsky wrote extensive literature of Russian serfdom, and worth a read. Although, well, its Tolstoy ans Dostoevsky. I have barely read either, for context.

Baguette supremacy.

Places? At risk of sounding glib, your local library. It’s such a wide and broad topic you can read up on pretty much any country or regions history and get a picture of how it developed.

Now for the specific topic of economic and labor systems? Honestly I think I would venture to say start with critiques of F.A. Hayek since what I was referring to was the development of the centrally planned nation state.

Hayek’s influential work is definitely geared towards a Cold War era audience which is why I suggest critiques. Disentangling central planning from political ideology can be a valuable tool.

That’s accurate to what serfdom was but it was an evolution of pre-medival slavery. Instead of being the personal property of a king working the fields on the kings owned land, it was about being the personal property of the crown, the state, the system (owned by the king.)

A slave could earn their freedom, be set free, or even kill their master and be free. A lot of slaves in antiquity had a tendency to overthrow kingdoms.

A serf though, was never meant to be free. Except, maybe, by another, foreign nation state. And now you know the basis of most European medieval war history.

I get that some communities want to curate their content and contributors, but pre-emptive bans and such aren’t going to be an effective method. It’s usually net counter-productive, as we see playing out here.

Most people won’t understand, care, or even notice. The few that do tend to take it as a provocation than a lesson, anyway.

Hryhoriv kinda poisoned the well for any vestige of the ataman system to have survived revolution.

The communism-anarchism conflict often resembles the divide between urban and rural society.

It isn’t insurmountable.

A deep comment thread without a single intentional misquote and ‘so you hate pancakes’ tactic. Love to see it.

The real story behind Hryhoriv’s decisions.

Yeah, considering the ‘downvote all .ml’ mentality that exists.

You know… I am genuinely curious how many of the votes here are purely a response to cyrillic text.

Dogs: omnivorous pack animals designed to consume just about anything, like the wily human.

Cats: carnivorous obligate hunters unable to effectively consume carbohydrates and despite the popular trope and demonstrable desireability, tend to be unable to digest fish both of which finds its way into all their food. Also they’re picky assholes.

Think tuna salad, or chicken, or potato.

Keep adding water. The consistency then divides between broth and soup.

Roll it in your hand. If you can form a ball with the leftover material you’re likely in soup territory. If there’s nothing left over or there’s not enough consistency to form a ball it’s a broth.

…If you can form a ribbon with the ball it’s got some noodle content, I guess.

In short: sewer socialism.

I had spent years street protesting the war in Iraq, and had grown tired of trying to build community and organize in a college town.

So I moved out into a deep rural (and red) part of the country and got a job working in Public Health. This was well before covid and I just started working with grant money to help people retrofit and upgrade their septic systems.

It was a government job and it did more good for more people than I think any damage I did to police or federal property.

And from there I kept working and seeing benefits of public health and infrastructure. There’s a lot to the state and government that I don’t like, but public infrastructure is the valid basis of a state.