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  • The important distinction here (and I get it, analogies are always imperfect) is that the photograph analogy has “hidden variables”. That is, each half is fixed at the moment of their separation and you just don’t know what’s in the envelopes until you open one. That’s not how entangled particles work though, and which “half” is which is not determined until the instant of measurement, at which point the state of both are known and fixed.






  • How does that logically follow? It seems obvious to me that if every choice is going to piss people off then you simply disregard that as a factor and then make the best choice possible. If that had been their decision process and status quo was the best choice on the merits then that would be perfectly reasonable. That was not, however, the process they described in their blog, instead they remained entirely focused on the one issue that they should have ignored.







  • That’s my understanding as well, with some “Roman” origin claimed, possibly as propaganda given how the Nazi party liked connecting themselves to ancient Rome as some kind of claim to legitimacy.

    I’d love to be able to add the Bellamy salute inspiration bit in when I do have this conversation with folks, but I’d need a better source before I do.


  • Zero argument on the larger point of Hitler’s idolization of America (the worst bits), quite familiar with it already. Hitler also admired Jim Crow laws and wrote about them specifically.

    My point is that I’ve never encountered a reliable source to the specific claim that the Nazi salute took inspiration from the Bellamy salute, rather than being coincidentally similar. The wiki page linked even purports the origin of the Nazi salute to be the “Roman salute”, albeit itself based on bad history.

    It’s a point I’d love to be able to make when having this same argument with folks, but I’m not going to tell people that the Nazi salute was based on the Bellamy salute without a better source than a Wikipedia article that claims otherwise.


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    1 year ago

    Your link does not support your claim

    Later, during the 1920s and 1930s, Italian fascists and Nazi Germans adopted a salute which was very similar, which originated with the so-called Roman salute, a gesture falsely attributed to ancient Rome.

    Do you know of any other accounts that would support the Bellamy salute as being the inspiration for the Nazi salute, apart from looking similar?