• NewDark@lemmings.world
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    And the CIA had a hand in the Opium trade in Afghanistan while we were there.

    The US is comically evil abroad, and getting worse domestically every day.

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      Ehhhh, we had a perception as the big damn heroes after tipping the scales in WW2 and then with the founding of the UN, being the only member state that wasn’t devastated by WW2, positioning us as the de facto enforcer. There was some very limited good work done in that context that got good press in Europe. But we were also overthrowing democratic south American nations nonstop during that time… And everything since…

      There have been times that others thought we were the good guys, but they were probably just wrong.

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        Yeah… All those deaths at the loss of USAID are evidence that the programs weren’t doing anything in the first place.

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          Wouldn’t it be evidence of literally the opposite? USAID shuts down, people die because of it. Therefore, USAID programs were working.

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            I was reading that one as sarcastic, despite lack of /s And USAID is a decent counterpoint. The US HAS done good things! We’ve also done a HUGE amount of horrible ones and atrocities. Also we’ve got a habit of ALMOST eradicating some of the worst diseases of all time from the face of the planet and then going “ehhhh, it’s the third world’s problem now” so they can come back some years later despite having done 95% of the work.

            In the same way that billionaires can do good things, the US can do good things and still be bad. We are absolutely capable of being good. This is a choice.

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        America had a positive perception among the countries it offered loans to help rebuild (Western European countries, Japan). Keep in mind that a lot of the colonial and slavery based wealth that Europe accrued was essentially transferred to the US during WW2. By the end of world war 2, the British empire was essentially bankrupt. Most of the world’s gold reserves were now in the US and greater than 50% of global industrial output was US based so the economic outcome was immensely positive for America. It makes sense that your allies would gong your drum when you are offering to finance their reconstruction.

        Essentially outside of this sphere knew the US would simply become the continuation of the British / other colonial empires and history has shown that to be true.

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        The USSR did most of the heavy lifting, though. But it’s true that without US military aid and intelligence, the USSR might not have fared as well in WW2.

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      The USA has funneled tens of billions of dollars into international propaganda, to the point that Albanians erected a statue praising George W. Bush for an intervention he campaigned against four years earlier.

      The UK is embarrassingly pro-American, to the point of doing mass arrests of their own citizens for denouncing the Gaza Genocide. Germany is embarrassingly pro-American, with the leading parties effectively operating as proxies for the Biden and Trump administrations. The Italians endlessly pander to Americans for business investment. The Hungarians are barely more than an extension of The Heritage Foundation think tank. Alberta, Canada is fully MAGA pilled, with Ottawa close behind. Argentina is saturated in American fanaticism. Chile just flipped to a pro Trump president. The Philippines and Japan are both climbing onto the bandwagon with India and Saudi Arabia.

      It’s bad out there, boys.

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        I wouldn’t include India in that group (the relationship has soured a bit recently) but your point on the effectiveness of their propoganda is certainly valid.

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    Nobody pushes drugs.

    Americans gobble up drugs like Hungry Hippos and the cartels are just violent psychopaths that want to be the distributors.

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        They are.

        If you look up who consumes the most drugs I think you’ll find some really fun facts. Not only do more people in the US consume drugs but the quantity is also noticeably higher than anyone else.

        The pusher theory is bs. Nobody is out there handing out free drugs to get people hooked.

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          well…not free, but big pharma has been caught many times bribing doctors to over-perscribe addictive medications to their patients

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          If the US was just neighbors with Canada I guarantee you illegal drugs would be much harder to come by in the US. Most other developed nations have the luxury of being neighbors only with other developed nations (or being islands)

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            Anything to avoid accepting responsibility for ourselves, we have to blame “less developed” nations for our own failure to treat addiction at scale. Did you know the opiate crisis was created by the pharmaceutical industry for profit? Or that the CIA is known to have been (and let’s be honest, likely still is) involved in international drug trafficking, including financing the Nicaraguan Contras’ cocaine trafficking into the US, primarily in poor black communities?

            Our for-profit healthcare system, the criminalization of drug addiction, and deliberate support of drug trafficking by our own government to achieve political aims both foreign and domestic created our drug problem. We have only ourselves to blame.

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            You sure about that?

            Besides the problematic developed vs undeveloped labelling, most rich countries exploit cheap labor and production I. The closest or most convenient “poorer” nation.

            Europe has used the Balkans and eastern countries that was since the iron curtain came down (and before that really). Russia too.

            France and England used Africa similarly. (Edit: and most of the rest of western Europe actually).

            The US and China both got rich doing it internally, but then moved on to cheaper labor or new resources when domestic sources were used up.

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              I didn’t realize how large the Balkan drug trade was, thank you for that information. It seems the proliferation of illegal drugs is a problem of similar scope in Europe as the U.S.

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            lol

            Americans are addicted to everything. Weed, coke, crack, fentanyl, alcohol, pain killers. If only they were addicted to not blaming everyone else for their fuck ups. Obviously, they are not mature adults.

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    Just yesterday Trump admitted it was for the oil. Which also has the benefit of distracting from the Epstein files.

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    Afghanistan

    Nothing to do with Al Qaeda

    Maybe /pol/ isn’t the best source for deep thoughts.

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    It’s like the old saying, ”If USA saw what A was doing to B they would invade C to ’protect D from E.’”

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      If you smoke it you’re an addict, if you take it in a pill you’re an upstanding citizen.

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        If you smoke it, your dealer is a scumbag criminal. If you take it in a pill, your dealer is privileged beyond all imagination.

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      I figure there’s two ways to approach this. One is to welcome people in, help them learn more, and expand their understanding. The other is to tell them that they are the problem and call them ignorant. I suspect that one approach is better at getting more people on your side, but WDYT chat?

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        Yeah, you’re right, but also, the commenter above isn’t just being mean for the sake of it, there is a real issue at the heart of it.

        The issue is that having 1 person come around to your side implies the millions that don’t and won’t.

        Some of those people simply don’t share any underlying morals in common so that’s fine, you’ll never see eye to eye in ideas because your goals are ultimately different.

        Some of those people also just don’t care and/or don’t know.

        Some people will never care, and that’s fine too, but some of those people will care if they do know.

        Spreading information to those people is tough when you don’t have backing of the govcorp media ecosystem and it doesn’t help when the ideas you want to get across are sophisticated, boring and fairly nuanced and require lots of context.

        It also doesn’t help that this would-be progressive in their ignorance could be damaging to the cause when misinformed, which means that sometimes you have to argue against this person and potentially turn them off the movement forever, because you never really know whether it’s possible to sway someone until you do.

        That’s what makes ignorance trolling or JAQing so effective because progressives will either have to waste time explaining openly to someone who will never agree and only feigns ignorance, or risk being potentially a confrontational asshole with a genuinely ignorant person.

        It also doesn’t help morale of said progressive when confronted with all that, that many of us simply learned about this information on our own, we never asked anybody of anything, we just explored enough perspectives on issues we cared about until our bullshit-o-meters were finely tuned enough to find truth and construct a path from reality now to future we’d like.

        On the other hand, convincing some people who are actually sway-able to not want the world to function like a war crime can be like pulling teeth, people are zealous defenders of their opinions because it reflects badly on their self-esteem if they are misinformed and someone else isn’t, especially in the Information Age.

        I speak from a progressive viewpoint but it’s just as true for any real ideological position, information is the fuel that turns simple moral beliefs into functional ideology.

        For as long as we live in a democracy, we need to somehow solve the systemic issue of ignorance at scale without inventing a ministry of truth type situation and being able to effectively counter trolling and JAQing/sealioning while also treating those asking questions with the utmost care and having the emotional stamina to do that when many of us had nothing of the sort.

        It’s a tough position, even describing it or explaining it is tough enough already when fewer and fewer people even seem to even just read at all.

        Then there is often just confusion over what someone open to information actually wants, e.g. the Adam Something guide to dating video he made where he said that teenage and adolescent men want instructions and not philosophical musings on the concept of dating and purpose and approach came as a genuine shock to me, because from my, non-male perspective I can’t imagine anyone needing instructions or explanations of that sort of thing.

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        Nah, another approach is better because it makes you feel superior. That’s what the most important thing!

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      You are the reason people think leftist politicians cannot win. Young people learning the truth and coming to the correct side and people like you telling them they’re the problem and to fuck off.

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    Not that the 20 year occupation of Afghanistan wasn’t an absolute clusterfuck, but the Taliban were harbouring Al-Qaida leadership. To say otherwise is just denying historical facts.